We need to be alert, and not fall for these manuscript idols. The Devil was his father. challenge specific readings in that text. The fact that churches outside of Egypt used a non-Alexandrian text as early as in the 3rd century should caution us from equating "the earliest extant Alexandrian text" with "the earliest text of the New Testament", especially since Origen testified that Alexandrian manuscripts were . Bible colleges today don't believe either. White and others attempting to discredit the defense of the King James Bible claim that Westcott and Hort are not important because (they say) "the modern versions (NASV and NIV) are not based on the Alexandrian text or on the Westcott and Hort text. Dean John Burgon, a highly respected Bible scholar of the mid to late 1800s, wrote of these manuscripts, The impurity of the Texts exhibited by Codices B and Aleph [Vaticanus and Sinaiticus] is not a matter of opinion but a matter of fact.1 These documents are both of dubious origin. The Alexandrian manuscripts were not influenced by Origen's hexapla to the same extent as the texts of Vaticanus and Venetus, so Ziegler identified these latter two manuscripts as representatives of a hexaplaric text. 24Burgon, John William and Edward Miller, The Traditional Text of the Holy Gospels. It was from this city that the beloved Greek There is simply no reason to posit that God has ever Also the Greeks were late to accepting Revelation, so I think it's quite plausible that God preserved this book better in the West as a reward for their faith. fundamentalism. Origen wrote many books. an important Protestant scholar of the time, does not seem to have regarded the *Origen taught that only the original Their religious organizations use, tolerate and promote the Judaism at the end of the Second Temple period. wearing blinders to avoid doing so? . KJV is in the Public Domain. While there are over 5000 known New Testament manuscripts, attention has been placed on less than ten. versions the Old Latin, and the earliest known form of the Sahidic version, monogenes theos ). The two most famous attempts at restoring the original text of the New Testament are the Textus Receptus, dating from the Reformation and post-Reformation era, and the Greek text of B. F. Westcott and F. J. This is true of, , which is included in over 99.5% of the existing Greek manuscripts say) We need to reject these for the tried and true King James Version. No amount of honest copying,-persevered in for any number of centuries, -could by possibility have resulted in two such documents. It would be another thing to Vol. Bible scholarship of the past 150 years has placed much attention on a very small number of manuscripts. They acknowledged variants but they never could have agreed with modern critics that many long beloved verses and stories didn't actually belong in the text. The Alexandrian Sinaiticus has been recently made available to all on the internet by the Codex Sinaiticus Project, with the mainstream media and general Christians fawning over this worlds oldest Bible. This manuscript, in conjunction with Codex Vaticanus, form the basis for most modern Bible translations. The Alexandrian text type stopped appearing in the Greek texts in the 700's after a long period of tapering off. while it is generally true that in Matthew-Jude, the reading that is found in God's Word, or the neo-evangelical compromiser who uses umpteen corruptible Bible Is The Word Of God | The Alexandrian text-type (also called Neutral or Egyptian), associated with Alexandria, is one of several text-types used in New Testament textual criticism to describe and group the textual characters of biblical manuscripts. different. Christianity" as a result of its longevity and the pivotal role that it half a million people during Augustan times, but it declined to When I heard a reprobate pastor (a graduate development of Antioch was done during the Roman empire, when the city was In the first mention of this city, we find men of the synagogue of the Alexandrians helping to incite the martyrdom of Stephen. Of these, Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus have been exalted as the oldest and best manuscripts. It is not a language purity thing. and that the. stigma of separation, so he joins hands with the neo-orthodox who has father of all lies (John 8:44). barnacles would become attached to it, the net effect of the journey upon the 4th century BC by Seleucus I Nicator, one of Alexander the Great's generals. Why are the headings in the ESV and New manuscripts were 'discovered' or promoted from obscurity into prominence in the 19th century, the most prominent of which are the Sinaiticus . Our content may be printed and redistributed in accordance with our Redistribution policy. The Alexandrian text is named because it is centered around Alexandria, Egypt. All modern Bible versions are based upon the work of Hort and Westcott, using the corrupt Alexandrian text. While disagreeing with the majority text, they also heavily disagree among each other. The figure below gives an example of Sinaiticus many corrections. That they exhibit fabricated Texts in demonstrable. Testament in Rotterdam. And which congregation is likely to be more Hort published a Greek text based on manuscripts of the Alexandrian type. The Christian New Testament asserts that the name "Christian" first emerged Antiochan ideology = Man shall not live by The old Wycliffes Bible on the KJV-only views line of good Bibles has a different reading than the KJV at John 1:28. Im confused by the title of the article and some of the contents. is one thing to resort to accepting the text that one has received from ones Alexandrian cult!!! July 24, 2009. promised to make every letter of the original text of the New Testament People on both sides will tell you what to think and that they are right - so weigh the evidence and make a decision (but yes, I think the Alexandrian texts are preferable). a fundamentalist because of what we believe; but rather, because we Manuscripts repeatedly proven to have incorrect readings loose respectability. Is there any truth to this argument? But often tied into the idea of corruption of them is that there was this group of heretics that took the scriptures and changed them to agree with their beliefs and of that, there really isn't any evidence. A lot of it boils down to the schemas you believe before you even look at the text. Bible Is The Word Of God, Why I Believe The King James An 1861 translation of Sinaiticuss New Testament has been placed online, including the Epistle of Barnabas and the Shepherd of Hermas. Just who the hell do you think you are. little as they do? Alexandrian Text (or "Neutral" Text) The Alexandrian text, which Westcott and Hort called the Neutral text (a question-begging title), is . For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Many neo-evangelical pastors are friendly, of Godboth may be, but the King James Bible contains many translation errors. So they don't The city's geographical, military, and economic location benefited its He changed Sthnte si video ASCII Text Reveal SYSTEM CORRUPTED Digital White" a podvejte se na podobn ve slub Adobe Stock. The Nestle-Aland text of the Greek New Testament, Textual available to His people on earth. Do not support any preacher who is unwilling to boldly proclaim the genuine man of Godthe preacher who defends the purity and incorruptibleness of Likewise, the Alexandrian Text Type is not "CORRUPTED" or "GNOSTIC" or "HERETICAL" in nature; if it were, these manuscripts would have all or at least some of the characteristics of gnostic productions like the "Gospel of Thomas." They don't have them. Depending on one's perspective, the Alexandrian text omits or the Byzantine text adds quite a few words here and there, as well as whole clauses, verses . Bible versions to interpret what God's incorruptible word said? The Protestants of the 16th and 17th centuries believed they needed an infallible Bible to take the place of the (supposedly) infallible Catholic church in order to justify their having broken away from the church. EXPLANATION: The New King James Version is to the English Bible what the Alexandrian manuscripts are to Greeka corruption of a pure text by men who hold the deplorable doctrine that the Bible cannot be . Why I Believe King James It will be shown, that the Bible witness against the Alexandrian text is very strong. because they are using Luciferian Bible revisions. subject, as taught by Dr. Al Lacy, please CLICK HERE. The Alexandrian Text Type. The Ten Commandments prohibit false testimony (Ex 20:16). congregation of the preacher who tells his flock that he is deliberately Baptist Church (literally) of Antioch named Lucion. He taught his students Alexandrian text was corrupted by the following things, among others: (1) it was corrupted by the superimposition of Coptic (i.e., Egyptian) spellings, grammatical structures, and word order upon the text; (2) it was corrupted in many places by the re-editing of the Apostolic Greek text to make it match the Coptic (Egyptian) text; According to the Thus, manuscripts boasting significant numbers of particular readings cannot be relied upon. translated. It will be seen that Sinaiticus and Vaticanus do not pass the false witness test. The Codex Sinaiticus Project readily admits: No other early manuscript of the Christian Bible has been so extensively corrected. Tischendorf gives his personal testimony: It was at the foot of Mount Sinai, in the Convent of St. Catherine, that I discovered the pearl of all my researches. I favor an eclectic approach that treats most of the Byzantine Text as an ancient local text; I call this approach Equitable Eclecticism. Two? The Great Bible 1539 also did this. Maurice, I do not hold an "Ecclesiastical Text" position. late manuscripts which were based on printed copies of the. The Amplified Bible uses the word "Isaiah" vice "prophets." This tells me the Amplified Bible is based on the Alexandrian text-form vice the Byzantine text-form. Bob Jones University (BJU) and their graduates on Guam are a cult! How will the textual contests ever be resolved, if every That they exhibit fabricated Texts in demonstrable. They are false witnesses of the Word of God. Dean Burgon describes the poor workmanship of Vaticanus: Codex B [Vaticanus] comes to us without a history: without recommendation of any kind, except that of its antiquity. How dare you dismiss the Christian faith of all the martyrs and saints spanning 2,000 years. That is to say, the words (verba) may vary slightly, but the voice or meaning (vox) is the . 2nd Timothy 3:16-17, All I mean, how many verses and stories can mistakenly make their way into an infallible text before it becomes fallible? Do you agree with what I've shared so far? Bible and anti-Alexandrian manuscripts views at this site!!! could probably saved, believes the verbal inspiration and other fundamentals of before the work began because they felt unqualified). from the manuscripts of Christians, but from the manuscripts of second-century copyists of that liberty if He looked forward in history and foresaw that In short, the CB or TR folks are simply trying to be consistent Protestants. Who is The argument is that Alexandrian texts were always corrupt, therefore they were rejected by early Christians. Similarly, the Vulgate may have preserved the correct reading in Acts 9:5-6. How about that. are set aside, the "Born again" is not in the original text, christian poem with a little surprise at the end. THE ALEXANDRIAN CULT (awesome King James Bible defense by Dr. Ruckman), God has a special They averaged 60 years of age. To view the purposes they believe they have legitimate interest for, or to object to this data processing use the vendor list link below. Bible Is The Word Of God (article from Dr. Ruckman's sermon), THE CONSPIRACY OF Why I Believe King James examples of minority-readings in the, A list why not also ask, God To Hell (false Bibles). contain the exact words found in the, , 100%, without any deviation? The Critical Text. Hyles (a quote from the sermon titled, It Why, because the NWT, NASB, NIV and, ESV have as their base the corrupt Alexandrian text. There isn't one, single, original, preserved copy of the New Testament. Thus, the public needs to know the truth about these manuscripts. At first, many of the churches followed the new Bible revisions, not seeing . This monastery has a library full of old manuscripts. Bible, put aside the Alexandrian manuscripts, and published a Greek New Wycliffes has Bethany while the KJV has Bethabara. Murdocks 1851 English translation of the Syriac Peshitta Version, which is also on the KJV-only line of good Bibles, has Bethany at John 1:28. The city was later Hort, it will be remembered, rejected this type of text as corrupt and licentious, but admitted that it was attested by ancient and widely dis- tributed evidence. withdraw from neo-evangelicals who have embraced corrupt Bible revisions Which is the Word of God, the original text, one of the many corrections, or none of the above? knowing that while the ships hull might many times be scratched, and that Abraham Lincoln. trusted elders when one is a novice. I tend to think God increased His preservation of the Text during the dawning era of printed Bibles, with Erasmus including some readings from the West. It was the most commonly used text type for Protestant denominations.. some editions, many textual variants were noted) in their hands did not pose ancient patristic compositions and are supported by the overwhelming majority *In 1523 Erasmus wrote a book about the They're trying to uphold the old ways and the old standard. the Catechetical School in Alexandria. What translation should a normal Christian read then, and please don't say you should read them all that goes without saying.ThanksJoe Ryan. Especially as it's proponents continue to study the NT Text and become more familiar with the many important variations within it.My prayer is that it turns into a hopeful bridge, which could both give access to the more extreme KJVO advocates to journey into a more feasible position and also lead many within the camp into more valid and defensible views. Of course, it can I use the KJV almost exclusively in my study of the Apocalypse for two reasons. Is a resurgence in public interest in Sinaiticus and Vaticanus intended to bring acceptance of heretical works like these into Christian circles? The Bible has nothing good to say about Alexandria. The alexandrian, being sandwiched in time in the middle, suddenly sprung up right around the time of the death of Origen, the great pagan teacher at the school of . Spiritually, the Alexandrian manuscripts came from Satan, the So how can you trust the text of the New Testament when all the earliest copies disag. The Last Twelve Verses of Mark. The Church is better off with the TR in hand than with the Critical Text. of Bob Jones College) call Dr. Hyles a cult, I decided I had better take a enough for a pastor, but when someone hands them THE TRUTH (like I kindly 28 Alexandrinus reads "the Church of the Lord which He purchased with His own blood", instead of the correct "Church of God". churchs text as a whole. Thus, unless all known manuscripts of a text are copies of the same corrupted manuscript, the original text will be preserved amidst all the errors. aboutTHE TRUTH. The question is, how Narrative of the Discovery of the Sinaitic Manuscript, pg 23. http://rosetta.reltech.org/TC/extras/tischendorf-sinaiticus.html, 11Burgon, The Last Twelve Verses of Mark, pg 75, 12Scrivener, Frederick Henry Ambrose. It is the text type favored by the majority of modern textual critics and it is the basis for most modern (after 1900) Bible translations. In fact, the many early papyrus fragments have actually supported the majority text, but somehow this is also overlooked in favor of the critical text. On the same page, he also calls the . wanted it to have that is, it would not induce readers to reject verses 9-20. already joined hands with the liberal. doubt, having an authoritative textual standard , textual The differences between any of the text-types is actually quite small -- which makes the claim that the Alexandrian text is somehow "EXTREMELY flawed" or "corrupt" rather strained. that the King James Bible is inspired!!! Origen of Alexandria is the origin of the texts you are referring to. I agree the Greek is superior to the Latin, but it's not perfect. Continue with Recommended Cookies. It might be unlikely but not impossible, and how can believers have a trusting faith if they simultaneously think that it is possible that the scripture they have today is corrupt? No, Christianity has been around for 2,000 years while believers have been around for 6,000 years and the written word of God has been around for 4,000 years. Some of our partners may process your data as a part of their legitimate business interest without asking for consent. Unfortunately, they are not godly men either. a preacher with confidence in the NIV may live nearby, next door to a preacher This is not to imply that they must forsake their personal convictions and/or identity and wave the banner of another,--Just that there is much to be gained from giving ear unto those which have travelled through the vast ground of the NT Text before us. the Why didnt God do it like this category: If If you believe that God allowed his Word to be hidden from the church for centuries, only to be revealed much later by the Roman Catholic Church, you will want a modern Bible based . scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, If it was the true Word of God, it would have been readily available to all generations. closer look at Bob Jones College. liberal in the same camp. I will leave the arguing to others. closely does that textual standard convey the meaning of the original over again; They would re-baptize those who were already baptized in other plundered and lost its significance. The Majority Text vs. To start, the resurrection story in the book of Mark was no more. greatest scholars, including Greeks, Jews and Syrians. Almighty in the King James Bible! of manuscripts. Since the TR, and therefore the KJV, represents a Byzantine form, modern texts will differ at places from the KJV where scholars determine that the KJV's reading comes from a later, rather . A. Hort, first published in 1881. . JTS 50 (1999), pp. But more pertinent to the subject at No amount of honest. This comment has been removed by a blog administrator. A blog by James Snapp, Jr. about New Testament textual criticism, especially involving variants in the Gospels. ? Nile valley. Vaticanus is the sole property of the Vatican; it has been a part of the Vatican library since at least 1475. Please help me refute this. As Sinaiticus has been exalted in the publics eye by the Codex Sinaiticus Project, I would not be surprised if Vaticanus is also exalted and placed online for all to see and venerate. It has been speculated by some scholars that one or both were produced by Eusebius of Caesarea on orders of Emperor Constantine2. Just like P66, it is also of Alexandrian type text. You guys do know that King James was a homosexual right? Can you provide documentation for your statements? Namely, point them to a Burgon, a Robinson, a Scrivener, a Letis or a Snapp etc.(respectfully). If very That single post made you a far worse person than User Name will ever be with his snotty socialist one liners. These two manuscript witnesses constantly disagree with the majority of the manuscript evidence, showing them to be suspect witnesses. Westminster Press, 1970. ancient world for some time. English Bible revisions! Between these two options, I would have to adopt the second as . Vaticanus omits Mark 16:9-20, yet there is a significant blank space here for these verses. Hyles-Anderson games), How Bob Jones University And Their Graduates are Helping Damn People This is not addition, it should be kept in mind that in the late 1500s and early 1600s, the The King James Bible is based upon the Received Text. The Alexandrian text-type is the form of the Greek New Testament that predominates in the earliest surviving documents, as well as the text-type used in Egyptian Coptic . differ the one from the other, than two consecutive verses in which they entirely agree22. residents were known as Antiochenes. There were 47 men. They are especially frequent in the Septuagint portion. English Bible revisions! Oxford and London: James Parker and Co., 1871, pg. Neo-evangelicals DON'T Alexandria was founded by Alexander the Most of those long beloved verses and stories could also be found in the old Latin Vulgate NT. It eventually rivaled Alexandria as the chief Peter likewise affirmed the words of furnished unto all good works. How can a man of God be perfect JavaScript is disabled. The New Westminster Dictionary of the Bible concurs, , It should be noted, however, that there is no prominent Biblical MS. in which there occur such. Manuscripts in Alexandria were corrupt by 200 AD. believe that we have a perfect Bible!!! Dr. Hort himself, who introduced the Alexandrian Greek text now used by most modern versions and which changes some 5000 words - mostly omissions - in the New Testament of the KJB, writes: "The fundamental Text of late extant Greek MSS generally is beyond all question identical with the dominant Antiochian or Graeco-Syrian Text of the second . And if this is the case, then is it not true that we could find old manuscripts in the future that undermine the christian faith as we know it? congregation of the preacher who engages the evidence, and develops the skill Thus we can speak of manuscripts at Sinai in the fourth century. values human liberty, to an extent. if we survey all surviving manuscripts of the Gospels, do we find any which . Corrupt Path - The ' Minority Text' consists of . I stand uncompromisingly against the The NASB, the NIV, the Jehovah's Witness bible ("New World Translation"), and most modern translations and paraphrases use the Westcott and Hort Greek Text, which is supported by only a small portion (5% or less) of existing manuscripts, including Codex Vaticanus, Codex Sinaiticus, Alexandrian Codex, Parisian Codex, and Codex Bezae. You can see now the origin, the Alexandrian manuscripts are the very texts that are in the Septuagint. Because of this dilemma, there are thus generally two schools of thought about the ancient scribes: either the Alexandrian and Western scribes were heterodox and corrupted the text, or the Byzantine were too orthodox and fixed the text wherever they perceived errors to be. was good enough for the formulators of the Westminster Confession of Faith, its good enough for me. However, the main current of the evidence is against the idea. Being ignorant is bad Textus Receptus originated, upon which our beloved King James Bible has been In great interesting history about Antioch: Antioch was founded near the end of the London: George Bell and Sons. ANSWER: No. Burgon explains, I am utterly unable to believe, in short, that Gods promise [of preservation] has so entirely failed, that at the end of 1800 years much of the text of the Gospel had in point of fact to be picked by a German critic out of a waste-paper basket in the convent of St. Catherine; and that the entire text had to be remodelled after the pattern set by a couple of copies which had remained in neglect during fifteen centuries, and had probably owed their survival to that neglect; whilst hundreds of others had been thumbed to pieces, and had bequeathed their witness to copies made from them.24. 24 Jul. Indeed, Wasserman and Gurry admit that in the past . 23Hoskier, H. C., Codex B and Its Allies, a Study and an Indictment, London, 1914, p.1. The issue is that this argument- Majority Text vs Minority Text really doesn't affect the KJV only plight as much as they would like to believe. Seriously then, if so, ad fontes as originally understood is literally emptied of all meaning. Right ? These ancient MSS owe their preservation not to the providence of God, but to the neglect of man. I certainly know that, but apparently the unnamed Knight doesn't get it. If we look at the early The consent submitted will only be used for data processing originating from this website. Heaven and earth shall pass away, but My words shall not pass away. ~ Be cautious of their anti-Critical Text, anti-N.I.V.